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Author Topic: Questions About Required Standardized Exams  (Read 75519 times)

nadeya

  • Newbie
Questions About Required Standardized Exams
« on: November 17, 2006, 11:30 am »
Hi I have a question I am one of the top students in my school I am ranked top 20 in mt class.  I have great grades but my SAT scores are not at the level that I know that Johns Hopkins requires.  I really do not want that to hinder my opportunity for admission. I really want to attend Hopkins. I know that Johns Hopkins is my Home. I need some help like what do admission look for in an application . Can someone please help me?

Admissions_Mark

  • Full Member
Re: Questions About Required Standardized Exams
« Reply #1 on: November 17, 2006, 11:55 am »
Nadeya,

Thanks for posting.  Here at Hopkins we review applications holistically.  What does that mean?  It means that for every single application that comes across our desk, every part is read, analyzed and reviewed and the applicant is considered as a potential student for Johns Hopkins University.  

Good SAT scores will not hurt students but they are also not the 'magic key' to being admitted into our freshman class.  Last year our middle 50% for two sections (CR + M) was around 1330-1520.  That means the score breakdowns were as follows for two sections:

% OF FRESHMAN CLASS ---------------- SCORE RANGE (CR + M)
              25 -------------------------------- 1330 OR LOWER
               50 -------------------------------- 1330 - 1520
               25 -------------------------------- 1520 OR HIGHER


If you like Hopkins and you think that it's a good place for you academically, socially and personally, then I would encourage you to submit an application.  It is not easy to be admitted to Hopkins as we are a highly selective school but I encourage students to apply because I figure you owe yourself the value of knowing if you could be a part of the Class of 2011.  :D  Work on the parts of your application that you are in control of like your essays and your grades because they all matter.  

I hope this helps Nadeya.  :)

~Mark
Mark E. Butt
Sr. Assistant Director of Undergraduate Admissions
Johns Hopkins University

anakinsolo

  • Newbie
Re: Questions About Required Standardized Exams
« Reply #2 on: November 17, 2006, 10:16 pm »
Hi

Do you have similar stats, but for the ACT??

Thanks

Admissions_Mark

  • Full Member
Re: Questions About Required Standardized Exams
« Reply #3 on: November 18, 2006, 11:28 am »
If you're looking for the middle 50% on the ACT last year it was 30-34 meaning:

% OF FRESHMAN CLASS ---------------- SCORE RANGE (ACT)
25 ----------------------------------------- 30 OR LOWER
50 ----------------------------------------- 30-34
25 ----------------------------------------- 34 OR HIGHER

Keep in mind that your strong performance in tough classes in high school is the most important factor when being considered for admission to Johns Hopkins.  :D
Mark E. Butt
Sr. Assistant Director of Undergraduate Admissions
Johns Hopkins University

darkhope

  • Jr. Member
Re: Questions About Required Standardized Exams
« Reply #4 on: November 20, 2006, 10:13 pm »
hi, i was also wondering how you weigh the sat writing compared w/ the sat verbal and math sections?  Do you give the writing same or less weight compared w/ the other 2 sections?
Thanks!

Admissions_Mark

  • Full Member
Re: Questions About Required Standardized Exams
« Reply #5 on: November 21, 2006, 08:34 am »
DarkHope,

Thanks for posting!  We, as of now, are looking at all three sections but generally viewing the writing section as an independent entity when it comes to viewing test scores.  The writing section score matters and we do see it but rather than calculate a score of 2400 (CR+M+Wr) we see your scores independently knowing that each section is out of a possible 800.  :D
Mark E. Butt
Sr. Assistant Director of Undergraduate Admissions
Johns Hopkins University

N1ck

  • Newbie
Re: Questions About Required Standardized Exams
« Reply #6 on: November 21, 2006, 09:59 am »
Hi

As I mentioned before I'm an international student, and I would like to know are the SAT Reasoning and Subject scores reviewed in the same way for both natives and internationals?
Are there any compromises for international students?

P.S.
I guess students from Australia, Canada, England and any other country where Enlish is the native language won't ask this question but for those for whom Enlish is the second language SAT is Achilles' heel :) .

Thank you

darkhope

  • Jr. Member
Re: Questions About Required Standardized Exams
« Reply #7 on: November 21, 2006, 10:54 am »
I personally did not do well on writing but I hope my crit and math will balance it out a bit...Thank you for your quick rsp=D

Admissions_Mark

  • Full Member
Re: Questions About Required Standardized Exams
« Reply #8 on: November 21, 2006, 07:03 pm »
We review applicants within their contexts meaning that we understand that not all students come from the same places or have identical experiences.  Thus, test scores can vary from person to person based on experiences and we on the admissions committee recognize that.  :D
Mark E. Butt
Sr. Assistant Director of Undergraduate Admissions
Johns Hopkins University

N1ck

  • Newbie
Re: Questions About Required Standardized Exams
« Reply #9 on: December 02, 2006, 04:23 pm »
Question 1)

Can anyone tell me will the January administration SAT Reasoning be acceptable by the JH? (the test date is 27th of January, yes it is a bit late but perhaps rushed scores could help?)


Question 2)

Despite 2 other tests, I took a French subject test; I have never studied the language at high school (admissions office can deduce that from my transcripts) I just attended some other classes outside the school (it's not that I'm native or my family speaks french), is it a plus or?

Thank you

Admissions_Mark

  • Full Member
Re: Questions About Required Standardized Exams
« Reply #10 on: December 02, 2006, 04:56 pm »
Hey N1ck,

Hopkins strongly recommends that Early Decision candidates complete their required standardized tests no later than October of their senior year. Regular Decision candidates should complete required tests no later than December of their senior year.

Although we cannot guarantee that November (ED) or January (RD) scores will arrive before the Admissions Committee evaluation, past experience suggests that scores taken on these dates usually arrive in time.

November (ED) or January (RD) scores will be accepted for those students unable to meet their test requirements by October (ED) or December (RD). In such cases, we encourage you to note your intention of taking the later standardized test(s) on your application. There is no need to rush your scores.

SAT II scores are optional.  For those submitting SAT scores, Hopkins recommends submitting SAT Subject Test scores, and if submitted, requests results from three tests. Applicants should select Subject Tests that demonstrate their mastery of a specific area of study or convey their academic interests.

Applicants interested in an engineering major should submit scores from the Mathematics Level 2 exam and at least one science exam.
Mark E. Butt
Sr. Assistant Director of Undergraduate Admissions
Johns Hopkins University

N1ck

  • Newbie
Re: Questions About Required Standardized Exams
« Reply #11 on: December 03, 2006, 03:55 am »
Hi Mark

Thanks for the answer.
I would like to ask one more detail;
you wrote:
Quote
November (ED) or January (RD) scores will be accepted for those students unable to meet their test requirements by October (ED) or December (RD). In such cases, we encourage you to note your intention of taking the later standardized test(s) on your application. There is no need to rush your scores.

I'm applying for RD at JH but I haven't noted on the common application that I had an intention to take the SAT Reasoning in January :(   I already have sent my November SAT Reasoning scores to JH but I'm pretty sure my scores could've been much more higher that's why I'm planning to retake it.  Is there any other way (other than noting it on common application which I've already submitted) to let the admissions office about my intention of taking the test in January 27th (the official administration)

Can I write this information in JH supplement form in "additional information" section? May I ask the admissions office to wait for my January scores before reviewing my app? :D

Thank you

Admissions_Mark

  • Full Member
Re: Questions About Required Standardized Exams
« Reply #12 on: December 03, 2006, 10:46 am »
N1ck,

Noting it in additional information is fine.  Although we cannot guarantee that your January scores will arrive before the Admissions Committee evaluation, past experience suggests that scores taken on these dates usually arrive in time.  We can't guarentee it but note it on the additional information or contact your regional counselor.  :D

~Mark

Mark E. Butt
Sr. Assistant Director of Undergraduate Admissions
Johns Hopkins University

anakinsolo

  • Newbie
Re: Questions About Required Standardized Exams
« Reply #13 on: December 13, 2006, 09:14 pm »
Hi

Does Hopkins consider scores from state standardized tests....for example, the MEAP in Michigan.

Admissions_Mark

  • Full Member
Re: Questions About Required Standardized Exams
« Reply #14 on: December 13, 2006, 10:38 pm »
Not currently no.  We consider the SAT, ACT and SAT II examinations in the admissions process.
Mark E. Butt
Sr. Assistant Director of Undergraduate Admissions
Johns Hopkins University

chadiabe

  • Newbie
Re: Questions About Required Standardized Exams
« Reply #15 on: January 07, 2007, 06:16 pm »
The admissions office site said that i can take the SAT or ACT plus writing, but which one would be more helpful to me in terms of being accepted? Is the SAT better than the ACT plus writing? Will i stand out more if i take both and do well? Which one should i focus more on so that when it is time to fill out my application i will be confident that i took the right test? :unsure:  :(  Please help!
Beonee

Admissions_Daniel

  • Administrator
Re: Questions About Required Standardized Exams
« Reply #16 on: January 08, 2007, 10:16 am »
There is a very simple answer to your question -- the Admissions committee has absolutely no preference between the SAT Reasoning or ACT with Writing exams. Applicants may choose to take either exam and submit their scores, or choose to take both exams and submit both sets of scores. The "right test" is which ever you feel you can do best on.

Creative

  • Newbie
Re: Questions About Required Standardized Exams
« Reply #17 on: June 24, 2007, 08:44 am »
Hi.  We hear that evaluation of multiple SAT scores are done differently, depending upon the school.  If, for example, the applicant gets his or her highest score in Math on the first SAT test and then a lower Math score on the second attempt, but a higher C.Reading, how does Johns Hopkins view the scoring?  Thank you.

Admissions_Mark

  • Full Member
Re: Questions About Required Standardized Exams
« Reply #18 on: June 24, 2007, 10:21 am »
We will take the highest score from each section and create a composite score.

Example:

First Sitting:        650CR / 740M (1390)
Second Sitting:   690 CR / 710M (1400)

Score Hopkins will use:  690CR / 740M (1430)

I hope this helps!

~Mark
Mark E. Butt
Sr. Assistant Director of Undergraduate Admissions
Johns Hopkins University

ashley.ellen

  • Newbie
Re: Questions About Required Standardized Exams
« Reply #19 on: July 04, 2007, 09:34 am »
how many trials of the SAT is too much, in your opinion? I have taken it twice, and am planning on taking it one or two more times.

-ashley.ellen

Admissions_Mark

  • Full Member
Re: Questions About Required Standardized Exams
« Reply #20 on: July 04, 2007, 07:45 pm »
Statistics show that after the third sitting, scores are rarely improving.  I usually don't suggest more than 3 typically because it's expensive and usually that time can be spent doing other things towards the college application process which are equally if not more valuable.  Once again, however, it depends on the applicant.
Mark E. Butt
Sr. Assistant Director of Undergraduate Admissions
Johns Hopkins University

Roddick

  • Newbie
Re: Questions About Required Standardized Exams
« Reply #21 on: October 20, 2007, 09:35 pm »
But if a person's score in one subject at the second time is lower than the first time, will it affect his or her admission?
Thanks!

Admissions_Daniel

  • Administrator
Re: Questions About Required Standardized Exams
« Reply #22 on: October 22, 2007, 04:50 pm »
No as Mark explained above, we will only be reviewing your highest scores on each section even if taken over multiple exams.

Noob Cake

  • Newbie
Re: Questions About Required Standardized Exams
« Reply #23 on: October 28, 2007, 11:39 pm »
Could you guys provide a ACT to SAT scoring chart so I would know which score of mine is higher?

JHU_MichelleB

  • Hopkins Alumni
Re: Questions About Required Standardized Exams
« Reply #24 on: October 29, 2007, 01:52 pm »
There are a bunch of these online. Here's one:

http://www.eguidancecounselor.com/act_sat_...E%20COMPARISONS